Trip log and descriptions soon to follow.

2nd GR Meeting (Minutes)

December 10, 2006

MINUTES:

Transportation
Though still not carved in stone, we pretty much concluded that a trailer will be utilized for hauling boats and gear. Purpose: This will allow for packing the day before without any last minute hang-ups. It will prevent us from having to purchase last minute rack essentials for a van. It will allow us to rent a smaller van for comfort and better gas mileage.
Robert plans to contact someone he knows about a possible good deal on a rental van.
Brian plans to contact Enterprise Rentals about van/vehicle quotes as well.
Resources: Barry has access to 2 trailers and Brian has a pontoon boat trailer. On another day we will determine the best trailer for the trip and begin to prepare it for the long haul. Though we did not discuss it in great detail, I think we should split the costs for any material required to prepare the trailer. Such things as tires. bearings, bearing buddies, and grease may be needed.

Finances
We set up another deadline for funds. By the end of February we agreed on the amount of $230.00 to be deposited into an account that either Robert or Barry will establish. $130 of the deposit will be utilized upon an agreed time for the shuttle service that will be required. The other $100* (non-refundable) will be utilized towards gas for the trip. Should anyone have to back out, this will provide a cushion for those making the trip and prevent the group from accruing additional costs per person unexpectedly. We decided that it would be appropriate for us to be added to the account so each of us could attain a debit card for future use on the trip for those that make it.

Travel Route Considerations
This was not discussed in great detail but we talked about the possibility of taking a scenic route and the possibility of taking different routes to and from our destination. I just added this as to keep this idea floating around for future debate and consideration.

Other Considerations
Barry informed us of the possibility of a trip date change due to his new job he began recently. Therefore the trip date will remain tentative until Barry can determine his vacation dates. Barry, correct me if I'm wrong, but did you say you would know by February?

* Should we set up a deadline after February to make the $100 deposit non-refundable or should our February deadline be the deadline to make it non-refundable? Send feedback to everyone.

If I failed to include something please inform me/us. I will post this on the website this week.

Brian


First GR Meeting (Minutes)

The group decided to look into the possibility of finding a 15 passenger van upon Daniel's proposal. No decision was made as to how to transport the kayaks.
If needed, Robert and Daniel agreed to rent kayaks in Moab if necessary to help with space
The group agreed to drive in shifts and go nonstop.
It was agreed upon to leave on Thursday afternoon of May 31st and try to arrive in Moab by Friday night.
Saturday morning would be spent at the outfitter and spent getting additional supplies if necessary.
We plan on being on the water by Saturday afternoon with transport to Ruby Ranch(June 2nd) with the outfitter of Barry's choice
Scheduled pickup will be on the 8th near the confluence
The group agreed to stay overnight in Moab and leave on the 9th. Driving in shifts on the way home was also agreed upon.
The group agreed on a Nov 1st deposit deadline of $125 to everyone who was making plans on going.
Barry agreed to open up an account to place money in and also agreed to look into getting an exact cost from the outfitter.
The group also agreed on a March deadline for withdrawal.
Total cost for the trip was not set.
If there is anything I missed, let me know.
Robert

Green River Time Line

NOTE: This is ONLY a framework to stimulate thought and discussion.

June 2006
Foundation Meeting (I propose we meet at a restaurant/bar)

September 2006
Follow-up Meeting (I propose another restaurant/bar meeting) (also plan for OCT paddle trip)

October 2006
Camp Meeting-of-the-Minds (I propose a paddle/camp trip somewhere)

January 2007
Deposit Deadline (maybe earlier than Jan??)

March 2007
Last day to withdraw from trip before forfeiting deposit.
Mandatory Meeting (I propose another restaurant/bar)

May 2007
Final Meeting

Tentative Itinerary

5/26/2007 -- 6/5/2007

Fri: -- leave Friday evening drive all night
Sat: --drive all day, either get to moab late or stop short and rest.
Sun: --possibly drive into moab, buy supplies & get permits & find shuttle outfitter, final packing, etc. Could possibly launch Sunday afternoon although I think everyone would be tired.
Mon: --launch early, day on river
Tue: --on river
Wed: --on river
Thur: --on river
Fri: --on river
Sat: --Arrange to be picked up in the morning, back to moab, clean up, get food, maybe go to Arches for photos & sunset hike to delicate arch, possibly camp at Arches NP ($15, no showers) or for free along Colorado river (no facilities) or motel.
Sun: --Scenic driving, Visit Canyonlands & Arches, day hiking, photos etc.
Mon: --leave for home, drive all day
Tues: --driving home

Projected Costs

Here is a revised (oct. 27, 2006) cost estimate for shared costs:
The assumptions are a van such as a ford winstar, Gas at $2.25/gallon, 18 mpg., split 5 ways.

Gas $100
Shuttle $135
Car Rental $100
Permits $ 20

Total $355

Based on 4 persons. To be used as reference only.

4 person -- Ford Expedition

Car Rental--------------------$567.00
Gas------------------------------$694.00 3600 miles at 14 mpg
Permits/launch fees------$ 36.00 - $68.00 **
Toilet Rental----------------$30.00
River Shuttle (x's 4)------$540.00 ($135.00 each)
Sub Total---------------------$1899.00
Shared cost pp 4/ways---$474.75

*launch fee will vary according to put-in site (see below for more details).
**Permit required for paddle trip -- there may be additional permits needed for post paddle exploration.

Possible inclusions = 1 night at a Moab Motel ($80/room) & chose to stop overnight ($60)on the way home.
$280/4= $70/per person -- 2 to a room/ 2 rooms


4/21/06 Barry wrote: "I called Tagalong Expeditions yesterday to ask about the time frame for shuttle reservations. She said if they were made in February that should be PLENTY of time to be assured of the days we wanted for a May trip.
Launch costs would be $4/person if we launched in Green River at the state park and $12/person downstream at Ruby Ranch...".

Barry wrote: "I called Tex’s riverways & Tagalong Expeditions, those are the 2 companies that do river shuttles. Their shuttle rate which includes shuttle upstream & the jet boat ride out is $125, Tex’s charges an additional $25 per personal boat. I did not see a boat charge for your personal boat with Tagalong but that does not mean they don’t charge.

Tagalong rents Coleman canoes for $12/day & I believe a better brand of canoe for $25/day, single sea kayaks are $25 day.
Tex’s rents Grumman canoes for $18/day, Old town canoes for $25/day & kayaks for $25. Tex’s rental I believe includes pfd &paddle, unsure about Tagalongs.

Each group must have a toilet system; these can be rented for $30. The NPS group backcountry permit for Canyonlands is $20

I spoke with a guy at Tex’s and got some info. Tex’s requires a minimum of 10 for the jet boat pickup although he said at that time of year that should not be a problem as groups can be combined."

Barry wrote: "I did a search for vehicles rented from Bham for May 19 7:00am -May29 2006 to 9:00pm just to get a general idea of prices. A Chevy trailblazer can be had for $500, a Ford Expedition for about $570, unlimited miles."